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Power of Bleach

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Okay so OC's in this community are either to op or to weak. So imma make this post explaining how powerful Bleach characters are by the end of the series so that you can correlate it to your OC to make it balanced, factual, and lore friendly.

Attack Potency/ Durability

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So to begin let's start with attack potency and durability. This is how much you can dish out.

Your AP and Durb are directly correlated to your Reiatsu, or spiritual pressure. Reiatsu is the ability to control your Reiryoku (spiritual energy) and transform it. If you have a significantly higher Reiatsu than someone then they would not be able to even harm you as seen when Ichigi first fought Kenpachi.

When it comes to making an OC you.must keep this in mind. Your Reiatsu must make sense with your ra k or power. Meaning if you are a Lt. you shouldn't expect to be able to harm your captain or any captain level entities, unless you are just.that powerful which is fine but you must explain how, and why and Lt. is that. powerful. It's not unfair if a captain shrugs off your attack, its factual and lore based.

Also your Reiatsu has stasis effects that it inflicts on others. Depending on how immense your Reiatsu is determins the effects it has on others. For example if an Lt. tries to square up with the captain commander or someone of similar Reiatsu they would be paralyzed, tear up, and most likely start foaming at the mouth. This is shown when Nanou decided to follow Shunsui into battle against Yamamoto in the SS arc. Also we see here that Shunsuinand Ukaetake were no where near as effected as Nanou as they are captain class. Lower Reiatsu levels would only result is fear inducement or restricting an opponent's movement.

By the end of the series we see Ichigo swapping hands with people like Yhwach, Aizen, and other well above captain class individuals. His getsuga Jujisho dwarfs portions of the seireitei. Now eyeballing this you would say "so its only Multi City Block level"? No that's not the case. You see this is where you need to scale the other fights before hand.

For example.Vaso Lorde Ichigo swapped hands with Ulquiorra. Ulqs Lanza was shown to be around large city-small mountain level. Seeing as how it covered a small portion of Hueco Mudo which is about a 3 day walk from the corner to the center. Vasto Lorde Ichigo tanked this point blank with 0 difficulty putting this Ichigo AT LEAST at small mountain level durability. Sense Reiatsu durability directly correlates to attack potency the same can be said for his regular sword swings, not even considering his Cero which decimated Ulq. Now let's conpare that to Hogyoku Aizen who was destroying the same Ichigo, as well as Urahara, Ishin, and Yuroichi. Ishin and Yuroichi having royal Reiatsu they should be even more potent in battle. This Aizen toyed with them and shrugged off attacks from them like nothing. In base he took a Hado 96 fron Yamamoto while in base. Comparing Yama in the last arc to then (seeing as he wasnt stated to have gotten stronger) Aizen should be around large mountain to island level.

Aizen proceeds to go through multiple evolutions where he gets progressively stronger. So strong it took Dongai Ichigo to put up a fight against him. Their fight was destroys entire ranges of plateaus with casual attacks. Not just breaking them, pulverizing them. This requires at least double the amount of force to just break them. Sense Aizen's Reiatsu in base was taking thesenattacks from a shikai state Yama, and is sow so much more powerful he rises a bit more.

By then end of the series Renji states they all trained to get to Aizen's level. A lot of people forget that everyone except Ichigo didnt see how powerful Aizen got so Renji is referring to base Aizen. It isnt confirmed that Renji and the others ACHIEVED this goal, but it should be noted that they got much stronger. Sadly this is the last that we see from side characters like Renji. Assuming their Reiatsu is near base Aizen level this makes a top tier Lt. large mountain level ap and durb.

However top tier captain class entities would still be way stronger with way more Reiatsu. Going off a top tier Lt. and comparing captains like Shunsui, Kenny, and Yama who are top tier captains, they should be around Island-mid Island in their base. Bankai you could argue large Island or small country. Then you have god tier characters like Yama, EoS Aizen, and Yhwach who all have comparable Reiatsu. Going off the statment saying Yama can destroy the Soul Society (not the planetary body just the surface) this easily puts the god tier characters into the continental - multi cont ap and durb ranges, because Reiatsu directly correlates to Ap and Durb, Yama can wipe the SS, Yhwach sliced through Yama, Aizen sound with Yhwach. However it should be noted Yama was is like 3,000 years old, Yhwach is a plit divice, and Aizen has the Hogyoku, so even if you are captain commander you shouldn't be on their level.

So final thoughts on Ap and Durb

Lt. class Reiatsu= mountain-large mountain level

Captain class Reiatsu=Island - large Island level

Lower that Lt. class = MCB - City level

Speed

Power of Bleach-[IC]Okay so OC's in this community are either to op or to weak. So imma make this post explaining how powerfu

Arguably the most controversial point in the entire series when it comes to scaling and discussing the power of Bleach, I will try to be tackling speed.

So to start off imma debunk some things. The first being that Bleach characters are NOT light speed. I will explain why now.

Okay so their are multiple "light" attacks in Bleach but all of them lack one CRUCIAL piece of evidence. The proof it is natural. You see in fiction energy based attacks that come from a power system (Chakra, Reiatsu, Magic) then you cannot assume that it is the same as the natural form that the attack mimics. The Holy Selection, Cero's, the light transports from Hueco Mundo, they are all comprised of Reiatsu. If they really move at lightspeed then Ichigo had lightspeed reactions in the very first story arc seeing as he blocked a cero from a Menos Grande, but then is later shown being tagged by regular hollows. This makes no sense and debunks any scailing off Ceri's anyone can do. The same can be said for any other light based technique as it is Reiatsu, not natural light. Even if a character calls it light again that diesnt make it natural light as they are just referring to it as light due to the fact the Reiatsu is mimicking light. For it to he actual light it needs to be stated to be natural. For example in Naruto, Gale style: Sage art; Light Fang is light speed. Why? No not because it was stated in the data book, it's because it's a SAGE art. Sage jutsu is stated to be natural energy from the environment, while Reiatsu is the manipulation of Reiryoku. Not the same.

Now that that's out of the way let's get into the actual speeds. Right off the bat in the SS arc Ichigo is already MHS or 1/3 the speed of light. However after that the scailing is very hard to gauge. All we have is FTE (faster than eye) scaling. Basically the question is "how fast are you if you are FTE to someone who can react to MHS (massively hyper sonic) speeds, the same speed as Lightning. For you to be FTE to a regular human you need to move at subsonic speeds, about as fast as an arrow moving at top speeds. Comparing this to MHS Ichigo who has gotten blitzed plenty of times over the course of the series, its hard to get a concrete number. However given that Ichigo crosses a 2 week journey in 9hrs it's fair to say he is one of the fastest, if not the fastest, character in Bleach. Sense the light attacks are out the window, and the FTE scailing is somewhat wacky but he is obviously beyond MHS+ we can make the safe assumption that Ichigo is Sub rel - relativistic speeds which is 1-5% SoL to 5-10% SoL.

It should be noted that I am taking into consideration massive inconsistencies like Gin saying his Bankai is mach 500 and Ichigo having trouble dodging it even though Ichigo was moving at MHS speeds in the SS arc.

Final thoughts on speed

Lt. class =MHS- low end MHS+ (mach 1,000 - mach 3,000)

Captain class= MHS+ (mach 3,000 - mach 8,890)

Lower than Lt. class= low MHS - MHS

Abilities

Power of Bleach-[IC]Okay so OC's in this community are either to op or to weak. So imma make this post explaining how powerfu

Alright so the final part is abilities. Bleach is an extremely haxed verse. This isn't really me proving or disproving anything, just justifying why OC's shouldn't be so limited because the series is already broken as hell and chances are your OC is just as broken sonit all balances out.

Okay so first of all I don't really think an ability as a whole should be banned but aspects or potency should always be nerfed if neccessary. For example time manipulation is very broken, however if done right it can be very balanced, stopping or reversing it all together though is a no go.

Bleach has this big ass list of hax

Time manipulation

Fire manipulation

Ice manipulation

Molecular manipulation

Poison manipulation

Biological manipulation

Mind manipulation

Paralysis

Fear inducements

Rsssurection

Low - mid godly regen

Fate manipulation

Durability negation

Elemental manipulation

Gravity manipulation

Light manipulation (kinda)

Immortality

Statistics amplification

Death manipulation

Probability manipulation

Overwhelming aura

Barrier creation

Longevity

Super sensory

Absorption

Shadow manipulation

Damage nullification

Power notification

Lightning manipulation

Binding

Sand manipulation

Cloning

Reality warping

Spacial manipulation

BFR

Soul manipulation

Evolution

I'm sure I missed some but that's all I can off the top of my head. Point is Bkeach is HAXED and OC's should be able to be haxed to somendwgree. I'm not saying they should be like Aizen or Yama but come on, with all that shit I think OC's should be allowed some powerful shit.

OC Creation

Power of Bleach-[IC]Okay so OC's in this community are either to op or to weak. So imma make this post explaining how powerfu

So basically the way that I view it is that when making an oc you can use this as kind of a general based for how.powerful your oc is. Let's say your stats are x/100. If you are an Lt. a 100 in strength would be large mountains and in speed would be mach 3,000. For a captain it would be large island and mach 8,890. Now add in story progression and you level cap rises and you can sur these thing (though it should he noted that Lt. should advance fasternthan captains).

I hope you all enjoyed this and found it informative. Thanks for reading. Rave out, duces :v:

Power of Bleach-[IC]Okay so OC's in this community are either to op or to weak. So imma make this post explaining how powerfu
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There might be some similar to me, who are stronger then a captain naturally. Like I did before I had a complete Hogyoku.

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0 Reply 12/03/19

For Auschwalan, the sqaud 0 lady used her life cage which ate reishi meaning that the Auschwalan wouldn't work if it was energy based.

And for negation, I thought it was seconds after he started the garganta, he was struck.

And for the flames. Reiatsu can take on elemental properties but if he's still casting fire those are flames and ryujin jakka is stated as a fire/flame base zanpakuto rather than flame/fire reiatsu.

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0 Reply 11/25/19

Why you make a whole new post lol

The Auschwalan was used after 0 squad was defeated and Yjwach killed the soul king. So the cage was gone

Even if it was seconds after it still happened after and took place within the series tei so it byed the defense

I understand that its listed as a fore type but the listing doesnt change whatnot actually is. This isnt even a debatable topic. Yama hears up the Reishi tonthe point of combustion. Its factually not fire. This is further ed that you cant actuallynsee the flames unless he wills it.

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0 Reply 11/25/19

But the auswahlen is natural light making it a light based move. As well a Lille Barro himself being a last caster.

Also it was a 3 days walk around los Noches from corner to corner, and even then the inside of the place it had its own separate sun and castles for the espada with grand Rey cero and ressureccion for I believe espada 6 and below, threatening to level los Noches which can be scaled to city to large island (high balling: country )for just 1st released forms while segunda etapa would be even stronger.

The dangai Ichigo argument: it was Ichigo's parries that caused the destruction rather than attacks. I say this as there's a difference in attack power and potency with blocks, power hits, and regular hits.

Yama v aizen was a patchy fight as Yama states tge 13 court guard squads would die to stop aizen, but in actuality they were holding back a lot of their powers as very few actually used bankai (soi fon, toshiro, Ichigo, ) in order to protect the barriers that were protecting karakura town.

Everything else looks solid from what I've read.

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0 Reply 11/24/19

Reply to: Deoxen༒ TʜᴇƝєυтяαƖιzєя ᎠᎥᏉᎥᎦᎥᎾᏁ ༒Everlasting

Just because it has the properties of the element doesnt.mean it is that though. Yama's flames.arnt flames are Reiatsu. While I agree that Bkeach is vague and open to interpretation this is not one of those cases. The series sense its conception has shown that Reiatsu, Reishi, Reiryoku, etc. are what make up EVERYTHING in the spirit world. Its walls, the air, etc. This is shown in Uryu vs Maiyuri. So given that we have been shown the SS and literally every attack from swords to chemical reactions like fire, why would light be that one exception? That makes no sense. Of course Kubo would rather write "light" rather than "reiatsu mimicking the effects of light ". It flows better and iant long winded. However these statements not being backed up by proof of it being natural are what destroy the lightspeed Bleach argument. I personally wish that Bleach was SL and yo but that's just not how it is. Also I wasnt claiming hyper sonic that's way to low. I literally said the top tiers are 1/3 SoL and Ichigo is like Sub rel-rel which is anywhere from 1-10% SoL.

Ulquiorra was claiming that without taking into consideration Segunda. He basically lied to Ichigo. This is backed up by Kubo having characters lie to hide their power like with Gin.

Also.Yhwach didnt have the power to do that to the worlds physically or with his Reiatsu. He was just ripping the balance of the world as the soul king.

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0 Reply 11/25/19

Reply to: :notes: Rave :notes:

Don't get me wrong, a large majority of fights and attacks are reiatsu based attacks, however reiatsu can't burn, freeze, etc it's the base element. As far as far as the statements being backed up, I've sent light speed feats and the whole Auschwalan argument keeps being avoided :sweat_smile: . The series hints at light speeds and leaves a lot of holes for calculations, but doesn't really show outside of a few examples.

Auswahlen Is light, negacion is light/a light ray, and both weren't stopped by the SS barrier which leaves the speculation that they weren't reiatsu/reishi/reiryoko type techniques and when they're labeled as light; they're seen as light and with people dodging light and later getting blitzed, meaning ftl feats (yhwach v lillioto), as well as the author continuously using the term "light", when he could clearly use other wording or even clear up misconceptions, leaves me to strongly believe there's light speed feats as well as potential planet busters, but there latter would probably need to be discussed more. Lol

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0 Reply 11/25/19

Reply to: Deoxen༒ TʜᴇƝєυтяαƖιzєя ᎠᎥᏉᎥᎦᎥᎾᏁ ༒Everlasting

Where is it stated that Reiatsu cant burn? That's literally what Yama's bankai is. He is heating the reiatsu the point of combustion and combustion >>>>burning.

As for your arguments about the Holy Selection and Nega. At both thosentimes the defense systems that the SS had set up had already been byed. In the SS arc the rift ti Hueco Mundo was opened by Aizen in the Seireitei and THEN the Nega came down. With the Holy Selection the SS had already been invaded and destroyed and their systems were down, C46 was dead, Yama was dead, etc. So your whole argument about the defense systems is out the window thus ing my claim that they are Reiatsu based and not natural.

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0 Reply 11/25/19
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